The compression used in these devices to store the video makes them very hard to edit. One example is the iPhone, which uses variable frame rates to record video, but also makes it near impossible to edit with PR, that only handles constant frame rates. Look at this chart:

As a general rule of thumb, AMD CPU's are not worth considering at all, since they suffer severely from the very limited and badly implemented support of SSE 4.x instructions, which are widely used in PR. That makes these processors very slow, even in the 8-core versions. You get what you pay for, and with AMD that holds very much. Even though Adobe claims AMD processors can be used, that is intended more to make PR look attractive, but it really means you can install the program on an AMD machine, however you can't edit effectively with such a CPU. Even the latest octo-core AMD's are significantly slower than middle-of-the-road Intel quad cores. If you have an AMD processor, do not expect to edit comfortably any codec more demanding than DV. All phone or action camera formats are way beyond what an AMD can handle.

So that leaves Intel processors as the only feasible option. But that also limits us to choices like:

  • Quad core
  • Quad core with HT, hyper-threading
  • Hexa core with HT
  • Dual hexa core with HT or better

What should you use in what circumstances?

Here are some suggestions:

The minimum CPU for a simple codec like DV is a quad core I5 without HT, but as the complexity of the codec or the resolution increases, hyper-threading becomes more important. With AVCHD material >= 28 Mb one can get along with a 4-core I7, but if the editing style requires multicam work, and quick scene changes, it can quickly become overwhelmed, hence the suggestion to use a hexa-core CPU. Note however that the boundaries are rather grey, depending on the editing style.

If the editing style is around the lower left bottom, the minimum suggested CPU above can be extended to the next column, but if the editing style is around the upper right corner, then the minimum suggested CPU may need to be shifted one column to the left, effectively removing an I5 quad core from the options.

Let's put some numbers in terms of sustained transfer rate on this chart and disk setup here, so you get a better feeling for what is required.

In very global terms the CPU requirements and Disk I/O requirements have been described up to now, so let's add Memory requirements. Depending on the codec used in editing, one can roughly say that with increasing resolution and increasing disk size, such as with intermediate codecs (Lagarith, Cineform, ProRes) the memory requirements go up.

 Of course, not everything is black or white. Sometimes things are grey. One would never consider a dual 6-core Xeon system with only 8 or 16 GB memory, so to correctly interpret both the suggested CPU and the amount of memory, one should follow the diagonal arrow in this chart. Remember that the 115x platform (Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge and Haswell) only supports up to 32 GB memory.

Now that the basics with regard to codecs and editing style have been covered in very rough terms regarding CPU, Disk I/O and memory, let's get more practical.

For this purpose I have named four different setups, each capable of comfortable editing of some codecs and some editing style. They all have a number of common components, that apply to all setups.

Common components in all setups:

Big tower.

While the case of your choice is often determined by looks and what appeals to you (or your CFO, the wife), I want to stress that for all categories, budget, economical, warrior or monster, it is better to use a BIG tower, instead of a mid tower.

Why, you may wonder. Actually there are a lot of reasons. Mid towers can limit your choices in CPU coolers, because the case is not wide enough to install certain CPU coolers. The height of the cooler does not fit in the case. They can limit your choice of video card, because these have grown in length significantly and mid towers often do not allow the installation of certain video cards due to the limited depth or prevent you from installing hard disks in certain slots. Mid towers will limit your expansion capabilities (less drive cages), make installation of components more difficult, have limited cable management features, have limited airflow and tend to become hotter than big towers and thus more noisy (the fans need to run at higher speed) and limit overclock-ability.

Three popular cases are the Fractal Design ARC-XL in the budget range, the Lian-Li PC A79 in the intermediate range and the CaseLabs Magnum TH10 in the monster range. Do not be put off by the price differences. A chassis is like a tripod, it outlasts a camera or system many times. People do not hesitate to buy a $ 4K tripod system, that lasts them a life-time, but shrink back from buying a $ 300 - $ 600 chassis for life. That is penny-wise and pound-foolish.

Big PSU.

The PSU is one of the most crucial components in any system but also the one component most often overlooked. A good PSU will give you years of reliable work on your PC, a suboptimal or mediocre PSU will give you tremendous headaches and unexplainable crashes, hangs or errors, causing you to miss deadlines.

Go to eXtreme Power Supply Calculator Pro v2.5 and get the Pro version. Enter all your components, including planned expansions, set the Motherboard to High End - Desktop, set the CPU Utilization (TDP) to 100%, set System Load to 100% and Capacitor Aging to 30% and press the Calculate button. Add 10 - 15% to this Wattage for safety and note the required amperage on the various rails (+3.3V, +5V and +12V). Based on these figures, select a good GOLD or PLATINUM label PSU, that meets the total wattage and the amperage on each rail. It is your best guarantee for long and reliable, trouble-free editing.

It is a myth that a big PSU uses more electricity than a small PSU. If the system needs 600W to run, a 650W PSU will use 600W and run at 92% of its capacity. A 1200W PSU will draw the same 600W from the wall outlet, but runs at 50% of its capacity. It is comparable to a Formula 1 race with a safety car situation. Bernd Schneider in his Mercedes AMG safety car will run at 92% of its capacity, the Formula 1 cars run at 50% of their capacity.

You are better off with running a PSU at 50-65% of its capacity, than running it at 80% or more.

Third Party CPU cooler.

Corsair Hydro coolers do not give better cooling performance than air coolers from Cooler Master or Noctua, nor do they run quieter. They are only more expensive. Don't forget that air coolers in push-pull configuration have two fans, that are replaced by two fans on the radiator when using a Corsair Hydro. Unfortunately, the Corsair fans are pretty noisy, thereby defeating the intention of water cooling to make things more silent. Effectively, one replaces two fans with an average noise level of 25 dB with two radiator fans with 35 dB. If the cooling performance was better, that extra noise might be overlooked, but that is not the case. Up to around 4.8 GHz overclock, the performance difference between air coolers and Corsair Hydro is negligent. So, if you opt for Corsair Hydro coolers, you don't get better cooling, you do get more noise, more power consumption (because of the waterpump) and you spend a lot more.

Suggested PC's for different editing needs.

Now let's start with describing typical situations that may apply, so you have an idea of what to look at in terms of PC specs.

Case
Typical codec
Typical # tracks
Multicam editing
Overclocking
Suggested memory
Typical CPU
Typical Disk I/O

Budget

DV or HDV Up to three No Desirable 8, preferably 16 GB I5 150+ MB/s

Economical

XDCAM/MXF/some AVCHD Up to six Yes, 4 camera angles Recommended 16, preferably 32 GB 4-core I7 + HT 250+ MB/s

Warrior

AVCHD/DSLR/some EPIC/RED Unlimited Yes, 6 camera angles Necessary 32+ GB 6-core I7 400+ MB/s

Monster

EPIC 5K/RED 4K Unlimited Yes, unlimited Not possible 64 GB Dual Xeon 8-core* 400+ MB/s

* Due to the lacking overclock-ability of Xeon CPU's, only the E5-2687W @ 3.1 GHz or better makes sense in such a Monster.
Any Xeon with lower clock speed is no better than an overclocked i7 hexa core, only way more expensive.
In fact dual Xeon E5-2630 are clearly slower than a single i7-4930K overclocked to 4.4 GHz, despite the price.

 What do all the considerations shown above, lead to? Here it is, keeping in mind what we said about Balanced Systems. I have also included a category 'Low-end Warrior', that is weaker in the disk department, but the savings on disks and raid controller are significant enough to make it an attractive alternative in some cases. Note that for the parity raid arrays in the Warrior and Monster category, I opted for the much more expensive enterprise 24/7 designed Constellation disks instead of the consumer disks, because of reliability considerations.

Component
Budget System
Economical System
Low-end Warrior
Warrior System
Monster System
Mac Pro

Chassis

Fractal Design ARC XL Fractal Design ARC XL Fractal Design ARC XL Lian-Li PC A79 CaseLabs Magnum TH10 Mac Pro

PSU

Corsair Professional AX760i Corsair Professional AX 860i Corsair Professional AX 860i Corsair Professional AX1200i Corsair Professional AX1200i Mac PSU

Motherboard

Asus Z87 WS Asus Z87 WS Asus P9X79-E WS Asus P9X79-E WS Supermicro X9DA7 Mac Pro

CPU

Intel Core i5 4670K Intel Core i7 4770K Intel Core i7 4930K Intel Core i7 4930K Intel Xeon E5-2687W (2x) Intel Xeon E5-2690 (2x)

CPU Cooler

Cooler Master Hyper 412S Cooler Master Hyper 412S Cooler Master Hyper 412S Noctua NH-D15 SE2011 Supermicro SNK-P0048AP4 Mac Pro

Memory

4x 4GB or 2x 8GB 2x 8GB, preferably 4x 8GB 4x 8GB 4x 8GB or 8x 8GB 8x 8GB 8x 8GB

Video Card

nVidia GTX 750 nVidia GTX 750 Ti nVidia GTX 760 nVidia GTX 760 nVidia GTX 970 ATI Radeon HD 5870 1 GB

Disk OS

Samsung 850 Pro 128 GB Samsung 850 Pro 128 GB Samsung 850 Pro 256 GB Samsung 850 Pro 256 GB Samsung 850 Pro 256 GB Mac SSD 512 GB

Video Disks

Seagate 7200.14 (3x or more) Seagate 7200.14 (5x or more) Seagate 7200.14 (5x or more) Seagate Constellation ES.3 (6x or more) Seagate Constellation ES.3 (8x or more) Mac HDD 2 TB (3x)

Disk Setup

Single Disks, 150 MB/s 2x Raid0 + Backup, 275 MB/s 2x Raid0 + Backup, 275 MB/s 1x Raid3 + Hot-spare, 500+ MB/s 1x Raid3 + Hot-spare, 750+ MB/s Single Disks, 150 MB/s

Raid Controller

NA NA Option Areca ARC-1883-iX-12 Gen 3 / 2GB Areca ARC-1883-iX-16 Gen 3 / 4GB NA

Estimated Cost @ BFTB*

$ 1,700 @ 1.00 BFTB $ 2,200 @ 3.09 BFTB $ 2,700 @ 5.04 BFTB $ 4,800 @ 4.21 BFTB $ 9,300 @ 2.92 BFTB $ 10,000 @ 0.95 BFTB
* BFTB, Bang-for-the-buck score shows approximately how much value you get compared to the Budget System. A higher BFTB score means better 'Value for money' and indicates the price/performance ratio. From this perspective, the Low-end Warrior System gives the best BFTB, Bang-for-the-buck, and the Warrior a solid Runner-up. Mac's live up to their reputation of being very costly.

Of course, as said above, not everything is black or white, things are often a kind of grey and your editing needs may differ from one of the categories described here. If that is the case, you can relatively easy find a way to compensate for your specific situation. As an example, if you start out with AVCHD material often, but usually deliver on DVD and do a lot of rendering your timeline for preview purposes, you may want to consider a better video card as described on the Balanced Systems page. If we disregard price for a moment, a question that comes up with some regularity is 'More cores or more GHz?'. The simple answer is, it depends. It depends on whether the main editing effort is on number crunching, where more cores are most welcome, or the emphasis is on the interaction between CPU and GPU, in which case more GHz is most welcome. Typically, if the GPU is largely left out (no rescaling and no frame blending), more cores is preferred. Editing 4K material is also a typical situation where the emphasis is on number crunching and thus more cores are better. However, as soon as the GPU is involved with rescaling or frame blending, the picture changes. In these cases the system benefits more from higher GHz and memory, because of the large amount of traffic between CPU, memory and GPU. To complicate matters further, you have to realize that Xeons are almost impossible to overclock, so it is either more cores at lower GHz (Xeons), or less cores at higher GHz (i7). So the starting phrase of this paragraph clearly holds here.

If you frequently use ill-threaded plug-ins like Neat Video or RedGiant, the obvious answer is clock-speed, which is much better than idle cores. So, it really depends on your workflow.

Based on current day prices, October 2013, the five systems outlined above show the following approximate costs. Realize that the estimated costs are based on the minimum memory and number of 2 TB disks indicated in the table above. Pie size radius reflects the total estimated cost on a logarithmic scale. If you hover the mouse over any pie, you can see the % of the total cost for that component.

Instead of repeating what I have said in other articles on this site, especially about disk setup, raids, balanced systems, video cards and my own build, I urge you to read them carefully. There may be some hidden nuggets out there, like PSU, cooling, tuning, etcetera. Just take your time to read the info I have given in other articles as well.

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  • Guest - Alex

    Hello,

    I really hope you could help me and give me some insight, as you are definitely more knowledgeable about the hardware options out there, and have had more experience with a wider range of models/names.
    I know that 4K Video Editing might not have been a relevant subject to address at the time, but is it correct for me to assume that if I want to do effective/efficient 4K video editing I find myself in the 'Monster' category?

    One example that I was able to compare... for the 'Monster' System you suggest the areca ARC-1883-ix-16 for RAID3. Which looks at first glance to run at least 1k. Whereas the RAID controller I was initially looking into (the areca ARC-1224-8i-MM) is only about half that price.

    After reading your article, I fear that I am severely underestimating the power (and therefore price-into-build) that I need to allocate into my system if I want to do anything at all in 4K.

    Also, thank you for supplying this great resource of information. Very helpful and MUCH appreciated.

    -Alex

    from Pittsburgh, PA, USA
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  • Guest - Alon

    BSD

    Hi Harm, I am currently thinking about building a new PC. This is my first serious build. Basically I have a dilemma, I could go with the x99 chipset or the x79 chipset (5930k vs. 4930k). Ive read some things on the tweakers page about how the haswell-e arent quite there yet. I dont know if I am really interested in upgrading the CPU in the near future. It may be like 5 years off before thinking about upgrading everything. But i also dont want to buy an obsolete piece of equipment (x79 mb is discontinued). Also the 5930k is 200$ more which doesnt quite sit well. I could go with the 5820k because I am only going with one GPU but still I am sort of interested in adding another one in the future so that would make have the switch out this GPU. What do you think is the right option here (4930k, 5930k, 5820k). I use Adobe CC. Thanks for the help!

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  • I'm currently looking into a new processor and motherboard for my PC. Currently, I'm running on a AMD processor. I've read about more speed/reliability when using an Intel i7, but, I'm looking for more specifics on what to buy that'll run well with my system and current components. Iv'e noticed the overall system has been unstable when running Premiere/AE.

    Below's my current specs. Any help would be appreciated.

    Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
    Processor: AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor
    Memory: 32768MB RAM
    Available OS Memory: 32732MB RAM

    Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980
    Display Memory: 4095 MB
    Dedicated Memory: 3072 MB

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  • Guest - Andras

    I am pretty sure a few days ago this page showed builds with x99 motherboard. Was I dreaming?

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  • Yes. I have not yet been able to update new build suggestions to include X99, but it will come shortly.

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  • Hello Mr. Millaard
    I need a 128GB SSD for Premiere Pro, Crusial M550 is better or Kingston HyperX 3K?
    In general, SandForce controller or Marvell controller? I can't buy Samsung 850 Pro.

    Thanks

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  • Crucial M550 is almost as fast as the Samsung 850 Pro, but at a better price. Haven't yet seen Kingston's results.

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  • Hey so question. Are you saying that a i7 5960 is going to perform about as well as dual xeon 8 core? I'm really curious about this. Thanks.

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  • Even much better. Currently a dual Xeon 18-core (72 logical cores total) with 512 GB memory and 4 GTX 980 video cards is outperformed by a single i7-5960X with 64 GB memory and a combination of GTX 770 / 780 and 970 video cards in this benchmark by around 10%.

    Comment last edited on about 2 years ago by Super User
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  • i have test my sysem with dual gpu my old 440 gt and my new 750ti , both can use mecury playback i finde than using a single or dual gpu dont make eny perfomace benefit the to gpu just share the load on sigle gpu the ram gos to 1000 and work load to 80-90% on a dual gpu the ram is 500 on both card , and the load is , 80% on the 440 and 30% on the 750 ti ,

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  • amd cpu are woking just fine , i am editing nikon dslr footage 1080 i can run up to 8 multicam ok at 1/4 resolution and am using a gtx 750 ti , with 16 gb ram and a amd 8150 for 200 on a cpu i dont think than you can finde a intel than will perform as well , you nead to go at 600 to finde somthing better ,

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  • Guest - Alex Campuzano

    Wow, what a great source of information, thanks for posting it! I like your chart of different builds an the likely cost of each. We have 4-5 editors. Two Darth Pro Macs, one 2008 Mac Pro tower with 8-cores, and a decent iMac. By the way, I think your chart lists the new Mac Pro (I assume you are spec-ing out the trash can Mac) as having x2 processors. This is incorrect. Much to my dismay, being a C4D user as well, there is only one chip in these things, just different number of cores between the models. I believe OWC will swap out the CPU and RAM to give them a boost, but stock is only a single chip. Also not sure what "Mac HDD" means. I've never bought a HDD from Apple. Too expensive. One other Mac-related question, "Single Disks, 150 MB/s." Is this referring to an external Thunderbolt drive or something? Just curious. I know the internal storage is crazy fast. The Black Magic speed test goes off the charts. Don't have any TB drives yet though.

    Anyhooo back to my actual question...

    I wanted to get some render farm action going since we're a high-volume shop doing mostly :30 sec videos. I also don't want to bog down the other users while they're editing other jobs. Would it make sense to build your warrior or monster system, put it on the network to hand off the intense render jobs to? Would a box like that be fast enough to one, warrant the expense and two, hold it's own compared to a handful of average PCs?

    Thanks for your time.

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  • Actually, at the time this was written, I specced out the then current MacPro. If you want the Trashcan, you will be even more disappointed with - indeed - only a single CPU but even higher price. With a single 12 core @ 2.7 GHz, it is easy to go beyond the $ 12.5K mark.
    The single disk 150 MB/s transfer rate applies to all HDD's as an average figure, which can easily be brought down by using other connections than SATA or eSATA. USB brings it down, FW brings it down, as do Ethernet connections. Thunderbolt does not improve this transfer rate either.
    The Black Magic speed test is flawed by the impact of the on-board cache on the disk controller. Well, almost all these tests are influenced by the amount of cache, as you can see clearly in the Crystal Disk Mark results I have posted on this page: http://ppbm7.com/index.php/tweakers-page/84-disk-setup/95-disk-setup

    Render farm solutions are not yet supported for PR, even though I have been filing feature requests for ages (at least 5 years), but nobody at Adobe seems to care. My gut feeling to your question about a dedicated 'Monster' rendering machine is NO, it is not worth it.

    It is out of work for the main part of the day.
    It is a hassle and time consuming to transfer data to this Monster from each of the other machines.
    Do your editors ever have a cup of coffee? That time could be well spent to render locally.

    Comment last edited on about 2 years ago by Super User
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  • ABOUR RAM
    I would be gretefull if someone give me advice about the RAM for a PC (ASUS Z87 DELUXE 1150 ATX ) to edit with Adobe Premiere record with a camera Canon EGRIA HF M52 recording in mode FXP: 1920 x 1080, 17 Mbp

    At this moment is impossible for my vendor to sell me the KINGSTON DDR3 16GB. PC2400 HYPERX CL11 XMP K.(Maybe I must wait several months for this RAM)
    So, my vendor propose me to istall KINGSTON DDR3 16GB 1866 hyperx CL10 XMP K2
    My question is,
    There is significative differences beetween both RAM? speed, etc?

    Thanks !

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  • Hello Mr. Millaard
    In my country, 4820K and 3770K are in the same price. (for Economical System )
    What's your suggestion?
    What is Determining Factor for RAM? (order of importance)
    Speed? Latency? Voltage?
    Thanks for everything

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  • In reply to: Hadi

    Sorry...I wrote wrong...4770K is correct.

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  • 4770K because it is faster than the 3770K. For RAM, first voltage (for stability), then speed and last latency. If you meant the 4820K, that would be preferable over both the 3770 and 4770, because of the 2011 socket.

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  • I 've compared 4770K & 4820K, both are the same price.
    So, 2011 is better than 1150 (Haswell)
    Thanks

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  • I've seen some tests from i7 4770K, GTX 770 4GB, 4x8GB RAM, 4 disk setup and similar and it seems that the system only takes under 400W max. 550W is usually said to be more than enough for a similar setups with only one GPU. That would mean at least all setups in your list up to "Low-end Warrior". Your thoughts?

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  • Josh, did you take a look at the PSU paragraph?

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  • Yes I saw that you have 760W and 860W up to Low-end Warrior. I also saw that you referred to the eXtreme Power Supply Calculator. But I've read that this calculator doesn't reprisent the real life and it should not be used as it gives a lot bigger PSU as you actually need. For example, here's real life test of editing system with similar specs that I mentioned and it uses 376W max (skip to the part "Do I Need a Huge Power Supply?"): http://www.learningdslrvideo.com/speed-tests-monster/

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  • While Dave has measured his real power consumption and I do not dispute that, I helped him quite a bit with his build, he effectively says that with his configuration he does not need more than 750W and I concur with that statement. The nice thing about that power consumption and PSU is that it runs around 50-60% load during rendering and export, the most efficient load for a PSU. That is great, but now take into consideration that all PSU's suffer from capacitor aging. When they are new, they deliver the requested output without any problem, but as they grow older, their effective output diminishes compared to the rated output, due to that capacitor aging. As the PSU grows older, they have to run at a higher load to deliver the same effective output, compared to their new condition. Of course one can skimp on a good powerful PSU - and many do so in a penny wise, pound foolish approach - to discover that it is a PITA to install a new one, after having had many mysterious hangs, problems and lost many production hours. Do you like to take the risk of running your PSU at 80-90% of its rated power, having far less efficient output and less stable voltages on the rails in order to save some $$ on the purchase price ? Your energy bill is not affected at all, but the reliability of your system is negatively affected by such a choice.

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  • I've investigated the aging of PSU and popular suggestion seems to be to get 30% extra for your maximum system load. So for example if we say that Dave's system uses 400W at max then 520W would be balanced PSU for the system. The 30% aging on the calculator should be used only if you plant to run your PC 24/7 with max power for multiple years. Even if we count using the non realistic 30% power decrease (I don't think anyone uses their editing PC like that), 650W PSU would be more than enough. 650W PSU would still give 455W ater running 24/7 with max power for multiple years which means there would still be plenty of room in full load. So to me 550W PSU sounds like a sweetspot for balanced system like the Lower-end Warrior and below.

    The important thing seems to be to get PSU with good (japanese) capacitors (taiwanese capacitors are no no). With good japanese parts the aging would be very minimal up to 5 years of use. You want good PSU with good parts anyways so that your PC runs smoothly and quietly.

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  • "You want good PSU with good parts anyways so that your PC runs smoothly and quietly."
    That simply means you want a lower load on your PSU. Increasing the load, increases the fan speed and noise. So again, do not skimp of the rated power. It will only cost you, but hey, it is your choice ...

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  • I meant that you want that the PSU is made out of good parts so that it runs smoothly and quietly. That means japanese caps etc and that again means you can run your PSU for the next 5 years with very minimal aging. Sorry English is not my first language.

    The suggestion to use 860W PSU for Lower-end Warrior seems to come only because the "eXtreme Power Supply Calculator" says so with 30% aging etc. That calculator is widely regarded to give unrealistic results. One thing to remember is that the calculator doesn't even take into account how good quality PSU you are using. That makes huge difference in the aging of PSU. PSU with crappy taiwanese caps will age way more in 5 years (if it even lasts that long) than good quality PSU with quality japanese caps. As said before, the 30% aging means you run your PC 24/7 full power with average PSU for multiple years. Our PC's are not run like that and with good quality PSU the aging is very minimal. So my suggestion after reading many PSU reviews and forums is that you use great quality 650W PSU max.

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  • Mr. Millard
    Why didn't you choose GTX780 or (Ti version)?
    Thanks

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  • At the moment I had to choose a video card, the 700 series were not on the market yet. The 680 was the top model at that time. Now, almost 18 months later, I would build a different system.

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  • Excuse Me...
    I saw your Monster System's GPU (GTX770)
    Thanks for reply

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  • You must have misread the Speccy file, since it clearly states the GTX 680. The 700 series were not on the market at that moment in time.

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  • HI,

    First, I would like to say thank you very much. Your web site is the BEST I´ve found !

    I would be grateful if you give me advice about buy a computer to edit with Adobe Premiere.
    I record with a camera Canon EGRIA HF M52 recording in mode FXP: 1920 x 1080, 17 Mbp

    My vendor in Spain proposed me that PC,

    INTEL CORE 17 4770K 3.50GHZ 1150 BOX
    KINGSTON DDR3 16GB. PC2400 HYPERX CL11 XMP K
    SAMSUNG. SSD 256GB 2.5 SATA 3 SERIE 840 PRO WD. HD 1TB 3.5
    WD1003FZEX SATA3 7200 64MB WD
    ASUS Z87 DELUXE 1150 ATX
    ASUS GTX760-DC2OC-2GD5
    ASUS . DRW 24F1ST
    3GO F.A. 700W SATA 12CM ATX PFC PASIVO CONT.
    DEEPCOOL REFRIGERADOR GAMMAXX S40 INTEL
    APPROX. TARJETA FIREWIRE PCI 3 PUERTOS IEEE
    COOLBOX CR-430 MULTILECTOR + USB3.0 FRONTAL
    COOLERMASTER. RC K280 KKN1 SFTE ATX USB30 N

    I would like to know if,

    1) There is any incompatibility beetwen components?
    2) Could I play videos from the Premiere timeline without drops? One only hard drive like WD1003FZEX SATA3 7200 64MB is enoug for that, or I need a raid? RAM 16GB or 32 GB?
    3) Does work this computer with a 42´´ TV monitor conected by HDMI?

    Thanks !

    from Spain
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  • Guest - Akria Murakami

    @Harm

    Thank you for your answer.
    Yes, I meant the 250GB SSD for OS & Programs, sorry.
    So you think, it would be a good alternative to use 3 x 2TB in Raid0 for my Media, Projects an Export and the 500GB for Media Cache and Previews? And to compensate the risk of the disk failureI should use the external backup disk? Would it be faster to use an extra single disk for exports? In the topic Disk Setup you explain that it's better to separate read and write files on different disks. Sorry I'm unskilled with disk setups.

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  • Using a separate disk for exports has two advantages, it keeps all your exports nicely organized on a single disk, and it helps a tiny, very tiny bit in the export time. But, using a separate export disk only for that purpose does not make a lot of sense if you are strapped for disk volumes. As an example, suppose you export a really large file of say 40 GB (most exports would usually be much smaller) and the encoding time is around 1 hour or more, your speed gain by using a separate export disk over using the same volume as your projects would probably not amount too more than a few seconds for the simple reason that writing such a large file at the end of the encoding session is a simple and write only action. The project, media and other stuff are not needed at that moment, so the half-duplex problem does not raise its head in this situation.

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  • Guest - Akira Murakami

    First I would like to thank you, your articles helped me a lot! I really appreciate your work!
    I will build your Low-end Warrior PC but with one GTX 770 4GB because I read that DaVinci Resolve approves 4GB VRAM. But I have one last question about the disk setup :)
    I don't know which setup would be better for me.

    250gb SSD OS, Media
    500gb SSD Media Cache Previews
    2x 2 tb HDD Raid0 Media and Project files
    2tb HDD Backup
    and 1 x3tb external Drive Backup

    or would it be better to use 2x1tb HDDs Raid0 instead of the 500gb SSD for Media Cache and Previews? And I don't know if 500GB would be big enough for Media Cache and Preview Files.
    But I saw the SSD-solution in the video of Dave Dugdale and it sounds like that you would approve his Disk Setup.

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  • Akira,

    I think you meant the 250 GB SSD for OS & programs, not media. 500 GB for media cache and previews should normally be enough, unless you edit really huge projects. 2 x 2 TB HDD's in raid0 should give you the space and the speed (think around 350 MB/s) for Media and Projects. You could even consider adding the internal 2 TB drive, now intended for backup, to the raid0 to make it a three disk array, although the risk of disk failure and data loss increases by 50%, but the extra speed (think around 525 MB/s) may be worthwhile in your specific situation. It only leaves you with a single external backup disk.

    Yeah, I tried to help Dave with his configuration and he was very appreciative of my efforts.

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  • Guest - Bill

    Helllo, and thanks for the great writeup. I am exploring building The low end warrior system, but have read about quite a few problems with the Asus P9X79-E WS. Are you aware of these problems? Or do you have a secondary board you could recommend. Thanks

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  • Bill, I'm not aware of any problems with the Asus P9X79-WS. I have been using that exact motherboard for more than a year without any problems. But, if it makes you feel better, also look at the DeLuxe, Pro or Sabertooth models, or Gigabyte models.

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  • Guest - Jason

    Hello, Harm!

    Amazing information here! I feel so lucky to have found it. Your dedication to keeping this information updated is most appreciated!

    I am a professional, and I've owned my own production company for over 10 years, serving corporate clients. We primarily shoot and edit Canon DSLR footage, occasionally renting an "old" P2 camera for run-and-gun or when we need long record times. For the DSLR footy, we always shoot in 1080P and (almost) always deliver in 1080P H.264 for web use. We've never had a client even ask about Blu-ray. And Standard def DVD's are RARE. Our projects are usually only a few minutes finished length. We've been doing some longer stuff of late for training purposes, but even that's only 20 minutes or so.

    I am looking to upgrade my old editing system (in service since Jan 2009). I am the "geeky" type so I prefer to build my own systems and maximize the "BFTB", as you say. :)

    I must tell you, after reading this, I certainly see I "skimped" a little on the last machine, spending only about $1200. It's a non-overclocked Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz, with 8 gig of PC2-6400, running on an Intel DP35 mobo. The video card is an old "non-CUDA" 9600GT. The drives are all SATA 3.0 HDD's, one for the system, one "project" drive which also holds the PR preview files, and a "media" volume that consists of 2 drives in software RAID0 (regularly backed up, of course). I originally built the machine on XP and upgrade to 7.

    Surprisingly, even now, editing with it isn't horrible, but it's not, as you say, "snappy". And if I add effects or start layering on titles, PNG's, or - heaven forbid - plop a AE comp on the timeline (unrendered, using Dynamic Link) it starts dropping frames and choking pretty quickly. (Incidentally, the AE cache is on the C drive, which I now know, is probably not the best way to go.) It's worth noting, that editing throughput is NOT a bottleneck, so even as slow as it might be, it's not preventing us from making money or keeping clients happy.

    Our corporate stuff usually more classical and has a slower edit pace, so we're not doing music videos or lots of intensive compositing. We've NEVER done anything over 3 cameras, and 2 cameras infrequently. I usually don't even use "multicam" editing. I just sync up the two clips on a regular timeline and knock holes in the top track when I want to cut to the other camera. :)

    I've been mulling over options and comparing them to your recommendations, along with checking Adobe, Creative Cow, manufacturer sites, etc. If money were no object I would just "go-big", and call it a day. But I don't want to overspend on a system because by the time I get to 4k/5k, it will probably be time to start thinking about a new system anyway.

    Here's what I'm thinking so far, and it still seems like I'm WAYYY overbuilding it for how we work.

    CPU: i7-3970K (planning on O/C to 4.2GHz... maybe higher)
    Mobo: P9X79 WS (non "E")
    RAM: 4 x 8GB DDR3-1866
    VID: GTX 760, 2GB
    C: SSD - 120 GB class (OS, pagefile, programs)
    D: SSD - 120 GB class (Cache, Preview)
    E: 4 x HDD in RAID5 (Media, Projects)
    F: 1 x HDD (Export / Misc Storage)
    RAID Controller: Areca 1214-4i

    Big Concerns:
    (1) Considering the ol' Intel bobo was $90, dropping almost $400 makes me shake a little.

    (2) I know Premiere and AE eat cores for breakfast, but I'm concerned if I'm really going to see a huge performance hit if I drop to a quad. Again, the old Q6600 was $170, so... $450?? Rubbing 3x as much! Yikes!!

    (3) The RAID card. Unfortunately the P9X79 WS won't support 7 drives, so I would have to change mobos at the very least if I decide to skip the card. But I've been using software RAID for 10 years. Is HW RAID really that much better?

    (4) The "unmentionables" add up fast. Case, PSU, and cooler alone are nearly $500. I went to the link you mentioned and used the "lite" version to get an idea about PSU size... it said 911W was the minimum. So I'm thinking 1000+. Damn.

    I"ve never been a "bleeding edge" kind of guy. Any current system is going to be A LOT faster than the old one just by the nature of the advancement of technology. And just adding a CUDA card should help things a lot. It's not that I won't spend the money if I'm going to realize a significant benefit, but this business is so anchored in technology, I've learned my lessons the hard way that buying the latest and greatest quickly turns in to a dinosaur. So just thought maybe by putting my situation in some context you'd have some recommendations and keep me from overspending.

    Thank you in advance for all of your assistance!

    Jason

    from Boise, ID, USA
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  • Guest - Dirk D.

    Harm:
    I was wondering how the installation of the Asus P9X79 E WS went. I am reading some true horror stories about the board on Newegg's review pages. Especially this one regarding manufacturer inability to deliver true native PCIe 3.0 on the board due to Intel's unavailability of the required chipset to deliver promised true pcie 3.0.. I am prepared to make the investment in the step up from PCIe 2.0 to 3.0 and was wondering if you share the same findings as several people in these one star reviews of the board.
    Here is the link. Warning: this pretty upsetting stuff

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-131-971&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=2&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=true&IsFeedbackTab=true&chkVendorMark=on&Keywords=%28keywords%29#scrollFullInfo

    Comment last edited on about 4 years ago by Super User
    from Los Angeles, CA, USA
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  • Dirk,

    I have no personal experience with the E version, since I use the P9X79 WS. Asus has recently improved their update frequency significantly, both BIOS updates and driver updates. I'm not saying that the Newegg reviews are not correct, but very often these reviews are somewhat tainted by lack of expertise of users, who have not installed the latest BIOS version, or who have messed up some BIOS settings. If they are correct, it will only be a matter of time before Asus will correct this.

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  • Hey Harm,

    Absolutely wonderful website! Thanks for putting something like this together! I've actually been doing a bunch of research on doing a PC build for After Effects and Premiere Pro CS6, and stumbled across this site. I am actually moving off from a Mac Pro(finally!) which died on me a couple days ago. Here is a little bit of background on what I edit and do; I use After Effects very heavily. I mostly edit DSLR, GoPro, Xdcam, Pro Res(probably not anymore because moving to PC!),2K+(Time Lapses) and am planning on doing 4k resolutions down the road. I just had a questions for you one on the video card side and the other for the Raid:
    Video Card
    Do you think that the GTX 660 Ti 3gbDDR5 using the script change for the video cards would work with PR and AE? If so, do you think it would be a better purchase than the GTX 670 which I was originally looking at for the Video card?

    Raid
    I am looking at getting the Areca ARC-1224-8i-MM as the raid controller for Media Storage, projects, etc., and doing a raid 5 with at least 4 2TB HDDs. I saw this HighPoint RocketRAID 2720SGL PCI-Express 2.0 x8 Low Profile SATA / SAS Controller Card which is about 1/3 the cost of the Areca ARC-1224-8i-MM but from what I think I understand uses the CPU and memory of the computer for the raid. Should I even look at the HighPoint RocketRaid?

    Here is what I have planned so far for the build:

    Case: Cooler Master Cosmos II
    MOBO: ASUS P9X79-E WS
    CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K Ivy Bridge-E 3.4GHz Six core
    CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011
    PSU: Rosewill LIGHTNING-1300 80 PLUS GOLD
    Video Card: ASUS GTX670-DC2-2GD5 GeForce GTX 670 or Asus GTX660 TI-DC2OC-3GD5 GeForce GTX 660 Ti
    Raid Card: areca ARC-1224-8i-MM PCI-Express 2.0 x8 SATA / SAS RAID Controller Card or HighPoint RocketRAID 2720SGL
    Ram: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-17000CL11Q-32GBZLD
    OS Drive: SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE250BW 2.5" 250GB
    Media Cache Drives: 4x SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE120BW 2.5" 120GB
    Media Storage Drives: 4x Seagate SV35 Series ST2000VX000 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb

    What do you think?

    Thanks Harm!

    from Haleiwa, HI, USA
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  • Brenn,

    The 1224 is an older generation IOP and uses only PCIe-2.0. It also lacks expandable cache memory, but of course the price is much more attractive than the 1882. For the media cache drives I would advise only Samsung 840 Pro. The EVO line is not suitable for any raid configuration. The rest looks good.

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  • Guest - Olivier Gary

    Hello Harm

    I can't seem to find the Cooler Master Hyper 412s on CAN or USA websites and the Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 block one of the PCI
    slot on my gigabyte x79 up4 motherboard. So is the Hyper 212 evo is a good alternative for cooling my 4930k cpu?

    Also, since I'm running in raid 0, could you suggest me a good 2-3TB external hard drive for backup. I'm leaning toward
    the Seagate expension for it's low price and fast transfer rate up to 5 Gbps.

    Thank you!

    from Sherbrooke, QC, Canada
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  • Olivier,

    Maybe the 412S is a model only sold in Europe. Alternatives are the 212 EVO, T612 or T812 models. The more heatpipes, the better. Did you happen to install the Noctua with the fans on top and bottom? In that case, changing the direction by 90 degrees with the fans on front and rear may solve the blocking problem. For backup you could look at the Seagate Backup Plus Desktop Drive 3, which is a 3TB USB3 drive for a nice price.

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  • Great post. Learning a ton. I'm a mac user looking to "maybe" switch over so forgive my ignorance.

    BRIEF HISTORY: I'm debating going PC. I have $3300 to spend (give or take). I know I can spend less, but that's what I have for this so I'd rather future proof than not. I edit AVCHD mostly and soon probably XAVC/XAVC-S. I shoot at 60fps and edit on a 24p timeline (which I think you said makes the GPU more important). I have hundreds of short clips mixed in with several 2-3 camera multicam sequences. I used lots of warp stabilization on the shorter clips and beyond that, not much in the effects world. No After Effects really. I don't often "render" my timelines at all so I usually (at least the way I'm doing things now) don't have any previews to speak of...and if I do, it's minimal.

    Curious though on a couple things, well TONS, but I'll keep it to 4 questions:
    1) You recommend Fractal Design Arc XL. You say get a full tower. But everywhere I see that case listed it's shown as a "mid-tower". Plus when I'm building my PC here it says that case is "incompatible" with the Asus Motherboard: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/SMD/saved/
    2) With regards to memory...any brand? Also, 1600 vs 1866, etc. Too many choices!
    3) What OS? Does 7 vs 8 vs 8.1 vs 32bit vs 64bit have any effect on all this. What should I do?
    4) With regards to disc space, I've read that page but I'm left thinking that I'd get an SSD for the OS/Programs but then I'm confused because you mention that one could benefit from having the media cache on another SSD but then in your sample configurations it seems media cache is lumped in with other HDD setups. Thoughts? What would you do given my "brief history" of my workflow above?

    That's about it. Lots more of course...but I'll try to keep it simple here in the comments. Please be as descriptive as you'd like as again, I'm new to all this.

    Thanks Harm!

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  • Jamie,

    I've sent you a PM with my suggestions. The Newegg site mistakenly reports it as a mid-tower, but if you look at the physical dimensions and the reviews, it is a full-tower. Just a mistake on the Newegg site.
    Memory: I've had good experiences with the G.Skill Ripjaws Z series.
    OS: I would opt for Windows Pro 8.1 64 bit OEM.

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  • Guest - Jason Van Patten

    This is an interesting article and I appreciate the work involved in putting it together. It'll certainly come in handy when I'm ready to put together a Hackintosh (settle down, anti-Mac guys) as I've wondered whether Premiere does better with raw core count, or raw clock speed. In other words: do I throw a dual E5 v2 system together and have a bzillion cores, or do I snag a fast Core i7 and crank its clock?

    Where I disagree *100%* with your write-up is in water cooling. There is literally no way passive or active air cooling can work as well as a good water cooling rig can, without generating data-center levels of noise with the fans. It is thermodynamically impossible to do so, unless the CPU and motherboard were sitting out on the open on your desk.

    Yes, you'll spend more money for a *good* system. And yes, you run the risk of leaks and whatnot ruining your expensive machine. But average fan speeds can be tuned *WAY* down such that they're barely spinning. The pumps can be clocked down with 9-volt adapters so that they're not running at 100% speed, thereby quieting them down significantly. And as long as you keep air out of the system (which, you did... right?) then the fluid movement through the computer will be silent.

    I haven't even touched upon GPU cooling, either. There's a much larger bang for your buck there, as all modern-day nVidia GPUs like to be *cold*, and run faster the colder they are. Make the mistake of putting two GTX780s, or two GTX Titans in your rig, and the noise those fans will make will deafen you. Slap a water cooling block on each card, connect them to a pump and radiator, and suddenly: peace and quiet. And average, under-load temps *under* 60* C.

    Don't be so quick to poo-poo water cooling. It does take more work to make it work right, but when you've done it, it's quite exceptional.

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  • Jason,

    I certainly agree with your remarks about water cooling. If done properly, there are huge noise gains, or should I say losses, to be achieved. However, that is not for the faint of heart, as you correctly pointed out. My remarks were only about the Corsair Hydro Cooler, which does not belong in the category of serious water (or nitrogen) coolers. The ones you are talking about belong in another price category, are much more difficult to install and maintain, but then do offer significant advantages over air cooling, especially if you also take into consideration liquid cooling on one or more video cards.

    As to whether you profit from more cores or more clock speed, well that depends on what you edit. High resolution material tends to profit more from extra cores, while encoding complex material like AVCHD tends to profit more from clock speed. Often it is both, so you have to weigh the cost versus the benefit in your specific case.

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  • Hello Harm,
    Thanks to you, these articles really help me a lot into building my first editing computer.
    I'm leaning toward the low-end warrior for editing mostly dslr footage. Here's my built:
    Case: Cooler Master Storm Trooper
    PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000w 80 plus gold
    Mobo: Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 412S
    Memory: Patriot Viper 3 32gb 1866mhz
    Video Card: Gtx 760? (what do you think of the 670 instead)? The 670 is more powerful but you place it lower than the 760 in the balanced system page. Why?
    Disk OS: Samsung 840 Pro 256 GB
    Video Disks: 6x Seagate 7200.14 (all 1TB)
    Disk Setup: 2x Raid0 + Backup, 275 MB/s
    Raid Controller: The areca one are too expensive for me so it's a no for now....
    Monitor: asus PA249Q

    What do you think of it?

    Again, thank you for all your hard work!

    from Sherbrooke, QC, Canada
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  • Oliver,

    Actually the GTX 670 and 760 perform about equal. Same memory bandwidth, almost the same clock speed with a slight nod to the 760. The GTX 760 also supports the latest DirextX and OpenGL versions, is physically slightly shorter, is newer technology and costs around 15% less. For the rest your system looks nice.

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  • @ Robert.

    Your latter disk setup would have my preference, since you have media and projects on a fast raid as well, not only the media cache and previews. But one sincere warning. Raid0, which I sometimes call Aid0 because of the lacking redundancy, doubles the chance of complete data-loss compared to a single disk. For Projects that would be disastrous, so you have to be diligent about your backups. Saving a copy of your projects on the Export drive can be a good approach.

    @ Dirk,
    I chose the WS version, because of dual NIC's, number of SATA-600 ports, PCIe Gen 3, USB3 and eSATA ports and the availability of Firewire. If those aspects are not relevant for you, you can save some money on the mobo. The GTX 760 runs somewhat faster than the 680 (which I have myself) and can use hardware acceleration without a problem, even if it not yet certified by Adobe. So you can save some money here. Regarding DSLR (MOV) material, there are some Canon cameras that are recognized by Adobe and can be edited natively, bypassing the QuickTime32Server extension.

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  • Guest - Dirk D.

    Harm:

    What awesome information. I fell upon this page after I had completed my multiple-weeks-long research process for a PPRO-CC machine.:D I wish I had found this page earlier--it would have saved me so much time. Thank you for providing this in-depth comprehensive resource material. With the exception of 2 components, during my research I was able to very closely match your BFTB recommendation of what you present as your low-end warrior system. I feel truly validated :).

    My differences in my final configuration are:

    1. Case: Cooler Master Cosmos II (love the tool-less setup and accessibility + handles for transport and securing)
    2. Video Card: GTX 680 (because Adobe did not yet certify the GTX 760. I learned that CC does not allow for self certification via altering Adobe text files, so I settled for the GTX 680. Am I overspending? Cost. twice the GTX 760.
    3. MOBO: I opted for the Asus P9X79PRO version. You recommend the WS version. Any particular reason, except reliability?
    4. Cooler: read your noise remarks - makes sense.

    Also should I not waste my money on building a system like this as I will be mostly using DSRL (Mov) and Black Magic(ProRes and DNxHD) footage initially? Planning on growing into Canon EOS C100 though which offers AVC formats.

    Much appreciate your feedback.

    Dirk

    from Los Angeles, CA, USA
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  • Regarding your video card, the GTX 760 is about equally fast as the 680. Certification by Adobe means nothing. All you need to do is either apply the 'hack' or remove the 'cuda_supported_cards.txt' file altogether.
    The reason for me to opt for the WS version was dual NIC's (using teamed NIC's for the network), firewire (still capture HDV regularly) and the number of SATA 6G ports.
    Note that some Canon DSLR's record the material in a .MOV wrapper, but contain header info that PR can recognize as such and allows PR to edit natively, instead of using the QT32Server plug-in. Which these are precisely I don't know.

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  • Firstly, I’d like to thank you for your dedication in providing such extensive resources to assist people in building Editing PCs. I have studiously read this site as well as posting over on the Adobe community. I am building an ‘economical system’ to learn NLE, as that is all my budget allows for now. Key components are:
    3770k
    Z77 Mobo
    32GB RAM
    GTX 660
    120GB SSD (OS, Programs, Page File)
    850W PSU
    Cooler Master Hyper 212x

    I have a question about Disk Setup…
    My plan was:
    1 x 3TB - Media, Projects – Sata3 (Intel chipset)
    2 x 1TB - Raid 0 - Previews, Media Cache - Sata2 (Intel chipset)
    1 X 3TB - Exports and Backup – Sata2 (Intel chipset)
    I just read your clarification that the drive setup should be 2 x Raid 0, which I had previously read as 2 drives in Raid 0 but now think should be two volumes, 4 drives. I could put the 2 x 3TB drives also in Raid 0 on Sata2 Intel and buy another 3TB drive for Backup of the two Raid 0 volumes on SATA3 (ASMedia chipset). Could I ask what you believe would be the most efficient allocation of file types across these volumes? I’m guessing the following, but would value your feedback:
    2 x 3TB Raid 0 – Media, Projects,
    2 x 1TB Raid 0 – Media Cache & Database, Previews
    1 x 3TB - Export, Backup

    from Sydney NSW 2076, Australia
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  • Guest - slsPCs

    Some informations for you that might be intersting as well:

    Here you get an idea what current onboard RAID is capable to serve:
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-dc-s3500-raid-performance,3613.html

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  • Regarding PSU: Follow the instructions above and note that 860W is not enough for the Warrior version.
    Regarding the YouTube link: Interesting, but not relevant for PR editors, since there is no locking mechanism on the files, so everything has to be handled locally.
    Regarding Raid0's: Yes, I meant 2x two disk raid0. A three disk raid0 is too much of a risk of data-loss.

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  • Guest - slsPCs

    Me again:
    A nice budget solution ist the Intel Xeon E3-1230 v3 as it is the cheapest i7 out there. This would be much better than the i5 and not that much more expensive - especiall as you can save money with the PSU.
    The ASUS Z87WS is overpowered as well, a nice solution would be a h87-board, for example Gigabyte GA-H87-HD3 for the budget system and a Z87 like the Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H for the Econical system.
    With PCIe 3.0 it is also not true that a RAID-Controller would slow down the grafic-card.
    At least the very expensive Asus Z87 WS would give mor bandwidth due to its plx-chip.
    Another point: the HighPoint RocketRAID 2720SGL would be a nice budget-solution to enable a strong RAID-system. It is very fast - and at least if you go with 2011 you do have enough bandwidth. It's a passive-RAID-controller - but that's the reason why it is so fast as it can get more power from CPU and RAM than an active controller. It's a little bit faster than the active ones. And at least with an 2011-system you can put enough RAM to the system and OC the CPU only one multiplicator-step to balance the recorces that are needed for the controller. This controller is very fast especially in RAID 5 and would be a nice solution for low-end-warrior and warrior as well.

    For the Low-End-Warrior something like a Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4 or an ASUS P9X79 would fit perferctly. An Alternative to the supermicro-board might be the ASUS Z9PE-D8 WS.

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  • Guest - slsPCs

    sry - another point: As the SSDs are only used for software and os, you would noz benefit from the expensive Pro-versions. An EVO would be fine as well.

    Please do understand me right - I only want to help as your webside is really very very good. I appreciate it a lot.

    It's not clear what you mean with the RAIDs in the lower systems: do you mean two Raids0 with two disks each or one RAID0 with two discs?
    For the low end warrior maybe a RAID0 with three discs would be a nice upgrade.

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  • Guest - slsPCs

    In addition I would like to draw your attention to another solution that might be very useful for some people:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu6jlA7hPj8

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  • Thanks for posting! Thunderbolt or not to thunderbolt, that is the question I am left with. Speed gives a lot of freedom.. Cheers, Dan.

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  • Guest - slsPCs

    Thanks a lot for your articles, they are really helpful.
    But regarding PSU they are mostly overkill, especially for the Budger and Economical system. A good 300 to 400W PSU for the Budget one, 400 to 500W for the Economical one would be enough. LowEnd-Warrior between 600W and 700W, Warrior the 760i would be fine and the monster would also run with 860i, but OK. With the 2011-plattforms to go one step higher for each categorie can make sense if there are some other things planned to be installed as well, for example an additional Quadro for colour-works a working with CAD-applikations.

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